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Who Needs College Anymore? With Kathleen deLaski



Is a college degree still the ticket to a successful career—or are we preparing young people for a world of work that no longer exists?

For generations, the message was simple: Go to college, earn your degree, get a good job, and build a successful life.

But that bargain is changing. College costs have soared, employers are questioning traditional credentials, and AI is transforming the skills people need to succeed.

So, who really needs college anymore?

On this episode of What’s Your Work Fit?, host Dan Smolen welcomes Kathleen deLaski, education futurist, social entrepreneur, and author of Who Needs College Anymore? Imagining a Future Where Degrees Don’t Matter.

Together, they challenge some deeply held assumptions about education, hiring, and career success.

In this provocative conversation, Dan and Kathleen explore:

  • The great skills-based hiring contradiction: Why employers say skills matter more than degrees but continue using academic credentials to screen job candidates.
  • The rise of the “Bot Boss”: Why managing AI agents, exercising judgment, and thinking critically may become essential career skills.
  • Experience as the new degree: How apprenticeships, cooperative education, certifications, and hands-on learning can prepare people for meaningful careers.
  • The end of college for all? Why career and technical education is gaining momentum as students seek alternatives to expensive four-year degrees.
  • The overlooked opportunity in skilled trades: How careers in construction, healthcare, and other technical fields can offer financial independence and advancement without traditional college pathways.
  • Reinventing higher education: Why colleges must rethink how they deliver value to students and employers.

Kathleen also shares a powerful insight for anyone navigating today’s uncertain job market:

“Watch what employers do, not what they say.”

And when Dan asks Kathleen his signature question—What’s Your Work Fit?—her answer reveals why the freedom to create meaningful things matters more than any professional title.

This isn’t a conversation about abandoning college. It’s about expanding opportunity, recognizing talent wherever it develops, and helping people find pathways to work that fits their abilities, aspirations, and lives.

Because the future of work shouldn’t be defined by the degree you hold, but by what you’re capable of doing—and who you want to become.

Listen now, and consider: If you were starting your career today, would you still choose the same educational path?


What’s Your Work Fit? explores the forces reshaping work, workplaces, careers, and personal agency—helping you make work a wonderful part of your day, not the all-consuming time-suck of it.

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How Do I Keep My Boss From Invading My ME Time?



On What’s Your Work Fit we pose this viewer question: How Do I Keep My Boss From Invading My ME Time?

Our guest is Geoff Woliner.

Geoff is the executive producer and host of the entertaining 40 Going on 4 live show on LinkedIn. He is also an author, motivational speaker, and consultant who leverages humor for organizational team-building.

This week’s lead question was posed by What’s Your Work Fit? viewer Helen:

Helen is a marketing operations manager at a hospitality company. Helen’s work can be very intense, she says “it’s like juggling axe handles and bowling balls.” She is good at her job and, to make sure things don’t go BOOM, she’s built redundancies into her work, with dependable people and processes, that ensure excellent quality control.

Helen manages her day well and strives to make work a wonderful part of a day doing other wonderful things, a work fit.

But Helen’s boss knows no boundaries. He’s made her cancel dentist visits and hair appointments, and worse, she had to miss her kid’s first swim practice. Helen is frustrated, especially since she’s already cancelled two hair appointments on short notice. Her stylist says she’ll fire Helen as a client after a third cancellation.

Helen likes her job, but in frustration she asks: How do I keep my boss from invading my ME time?

During this information packed episode, Geoff also answers “what’s your work fit?’ His personal vision surely will resonate with many career professionals.

About our guest:

Geoff Woliner is the executive producer and host of the 40 Going on 4 live show on LinkedIn. He is also the author of The Path to Perfectia. Geoff lives and works in Alexandria, Virginia.

This episode originated as a live show on August 9, 2023. You can watch the show in its entirety on the What’s Your Work Fit YouTube Channel.

EPISODE DATE: August 18, 2023

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How Can I Begin a Fourth Act Career?



On What’s Your Work Fit we pose this viewer question: How Can I Begin a Fourth Act Career?

Our guest is Josef Katz.

Josef is an independent strategic marketing executive with subject matter expertise in several market spaces including healthcare and retirement services. He is also co-host of the PrimeLife Podcast.

This week’s lead question was posed by What’s Your Work Fit? viewer James:

James started his career at an ad agency. After that, he moved to corporate marketing and then onto running his own marketing consultancy which he is about to close.

He is not ready to retire, but he wants to take the opportunity to do something outside the scope of work that confined his career.

James asks: How can I begin a fourth act career?

During this information packed episode, Josef also answers “what’s your work fit?’ His personal vision surely will resonate with many career professionals.

About our guest:

Josef Katz is an independent strategic marketing executive with subject matter expertise in several market spaces including healthcare and retirement services. He is also co-host of the PrimeLife Podcast. Josef lives and works in the New York City suburbs of New Jersey.

This episode originated as a live show on June 14, 2023. You can watch the show in its entirety on the What’s Your Work Fit YouTube Channel.

EPISODE DATE: June 23, 2023

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Can I Reinvent Myself for Career Bliss?



On What’s Your Work Fit we pose this viewer question: Can I Reinvent Myself for Career Bliss?

Our guest is Debra Olshan Cooper.

Debra is the founder and president of Your Career Design Lab; by crafting unique stories, she helps professionals at all stages of their careers to excavate their passions and purpose and turn them into a paycheck.

This week’s lead question was posed by What’s Your Work Fit? viewer Jessica:

Jessica is a middle management executive who has performed well in whatever assignment higher ups have placed her. But sometimes, she feels like she is “just going through the motions,” bored and uninspired, and not achieving her own work fit.

Jessica asks: Can I reinvent myself for career bliss?

During this information packed episode, Debra also answers “what’s your work fit?’ Her personal vision surely will resonate with many career professionals.

About our guest:

Debra Olshan Cooper has enjoyed a multi-act executive career journey across fashion, public relations, marketing and serial entrepreneurship. She founded her executive career coaching company, Your Career Design Lab, in 2018. What is more, Debra is the host of The Passionate Professional podcast. She splits her time between New York City and Miami, Florida.

This episode originated as a live show on May 17, 2023. You can watch the show in its entirety on the What’s Your Work Fit YouTube Channel.

EPISODE DATE: May 26, 2023

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